JUNCTION CITY SCHOOL DISTRICT
LICENSED BARGAINING MEETING
May 17, 2005 ñ 6:00 p.m.
Recorder:ÝÝÝÝÝÝÝÝÝ Stephanie White
Mary Jo Husiman
Cal Fagan and Galen Carpenter were absent for the association.
Article 21 ñ Mid-Year Early Retirement, and Article 31 ñ Re-Employment of Retirees.
Brian ñ At the last bargaining session, you proposed the current language in article 21, with the addition of a new article 31.Ý We are willing to sign off on article 21, as written in our last proposal, without section C.Ý We still need section B because if someone took the lump sum and was re-employed, we would have to pay their PERS, by law.Ý We are interested in your proposal to have a separate article on re-employment of retired employees.
Brian ñ I did have some questions about your proposed article 31, in A2.Ý Was it your intention that an employee who was rehired after retirement go back to ground zero on the seniority list, or do they keep their seniority?Ý Janet ñ No, it was just the salary schedule; that would be the same as if an employee came to the district from another district, they would be placed on the salary schedule where appropriate.Ý Brian ñ Someone who is rehired, what would their new seniority/hire date be?Ý Would it be the new hire date, or their original hire date?Ý Janet ñ We will need to discuss that.Ý Brian ñ Our concern would be that if the district were to need to have mid-year RIFís, a rehired teacher would have more seniority than a four-year teacher, and the rehired teacher may only plan on being employed for a short amount of time, whereas the four-year teacher would probably plan on being around a lot longer than that, and the district wouldnít want to lose that teacher.Ý Patty ñ That is a good question.Ý Brian ñ In A5, this would be the same concerns we had in article 21, whereas if the employee took the lump sum with PERS, and was rehired, the district would have to pay PERS, by law.Ý Patty ñ We would have to change that.Ý James ñ If we need to spell that out, we could do that.Ý Brian ñ In A3, carrying forward their sick leave; under current contract, an employee would be allowed ten days sick leave when they come back for a year after retirement.Ý Our concern would be that if a teacher is rehired and they are gone the majority of the year using their sick leave, that would defeat the purpose of the district saving money because they would have to pay for a sub as well.Ý Patty ñ It would be just as if we were treating them like a new employee coming to this district from another school district, they are allowed to carry forward their sick leave.Ý Brian ñ If someone used the PERS formula and cashed out their sick leave, the district wouldnít be obligated to carry forward that sick leave.Ý Janet ñ We could address that.Ý Brian ñ Getting the insurance as well as the stipend is still an issue for us and we are still discussing that.Ý Janet ñ We are really close on 21, and we will need to discuss the proposed changes.
Brian ñ During the last session, the work year came up and I didnít feel comfortable talking about it without Kathleen there.Ý We are prepared to have a conversation about article 7 tonight.Ý Janet ñ There have been days for grading and conferences in the past that have not been designated specifically in the calendar because they differ between the elementary and middle and high schools.Ý Those days have been described as PA Days.Ý Brian ñ Have the number of grading days changed from year to year?Ý Janet ñ Only when we went from four quarters to three trimesters.Ý Brian ñ Can you explain small b in your proposal?Ý Janet ñ It is so nice to be able to have a prep day after a change in unit or a vacation period like winter break and spring break.Ý Patty ñ Sometimes we teach all new classes after a unit and we need time to prepare for that.Ý It is especially nice for new teachers.Ý Barb ñ The time to prepare is so much more enriching.Ý Brian ñ Subsection C, are those days in addition to the four that are in a?Ý Darbi ñ There would be two consecutive days in the fall (one recordkeeping and one conference) and the same in the spring.Ý The elementary days are stipulated in c, not a.Ý Brian ñ The biggest concern is the board having discretion over the calendar, your proposed changes would eliminate that.Ý The other concern is when I add up the days, it comes out to only enough for 173 student contact days and the board has made it clear that they want the days to be along the average in Lane County, which would be 175 days.Ý James ñ I come up with 15 days.
There was a long discussion about what B and C meant in terms of the total number of PA days.Ý There are 8 at the secondary level and 9 at the elementary level.Ý Brian ñ Is it your belief that this proposal is what has been practiced?Ý Patty ñ The prep day following the grading day and the prep day after winter break and spring break would entail a change in practice.Ý All of the others are the same.Ý Darbi ñ JCEAís proposed calendar that went to the board, the holidays were left at 4 and the student contact days were left at 171.Ý Brian ñ The one uninterrupted day for preparation at the beginning of the year, is that one continuous block of time, or 8 hours total?Ý Cindy ñ One interrupted day, a whole day.Ý Brian ñ That helps me understand a little better.Ý Darbi ñ In the past, the elementary schools only had one day at the end of May; we could change c to say one day in May and that would bring the totals to 8 at elementary and 8 at secondary.Ý Janet ñ Are you willing to give that day up?Ý Darbi ñ No, I was just pointing out where that day was.Ý Brian ñ For evening conferences, do you usually get to trade that time for comp time?Ý Patty ñ No, we usually donít.Ý Brian ñ Is it necessary to have the uninterrupted time all in one day?Ý Janet ñ It is nice to have it all as one uninterrupted block of time so teachers are not getting their room ready, having to stop for a meeting; itís not nearly as productive.Ý Brian ñ What about the days after winter and spring break?Ý Janet ñ Other districts are doing this and it helps the teacher prepare for the transition to a new unit and group of kids.Ý Barb ñ At Territorial we need that day to put our rooms back together because we need to get all of our stuff up off of the floor so they can clean and they donít have enough custodial time to put the rooms back together so teachers do it.Ý Kathleen ñ There is probably another way to remedy that instead of having a PA day.Ý Brian ñ Obviously the board wants to add more student contact days.Ý How do these days fit into that calendar?Ý This makes the district hesitant because putting this in the contract kind of sets it in stone and doesnít leave room for flexibility.Ý If it has been fairly consistent practice, whatís the need to put it in the contract?Ý Janet ñ We wonít all be here forever and it would be nice to have it written down for the next group of people who come into the district.Ý Brian ñ I understand that, but the difficulty is to make this work with the boardís goals in mind.Ý Janet ñ Isnít this a bargaining issue?Ý Brian ñ Not the number of instructional days.Ý The contract only calls for 191 contract days and 4 holidays.Ý Barb ñ I want to make sure that you know that about six years ago we bargained to add one day to our contract, without an increase in pay, and the condition was that it be an instructional day.Ý Brian ñ Right now the board is looking at 175 instructional days.Ý I donít want to get into a legal discussion, but the board has instructed us to add instructional days.Ý The board may adopt a calendar this month, and if that calendar changes as a result of bargaining, then it will change.Ý Janet ñ Isnít it a change in working conditions to change PA days to instructional days?Ý Brian ñ Not necessarily.Ý James ñ Brian is right; we can bargain a lot of things, but this is one that the board has the control over.Ý Patty ñ I donít see the point in adding more instructional days just to make us average with other districts when we are above average in instructional hours.Ý Kathleen ñ That is not necessarily true..Ý It is really hard to calculate with the information that was submitted to the ODE.Ý We donít know which schools use conference days as instructional hours and which ones donít.Ý With all the concerns surrounding AYP, the board feels one of the best ways to address those concerns is to increase the amount of instructional hours, actual seat time, the students receive.
Denise ñ The board had a work session back in January where we set some district goals that were later adopted.Ý I hope you all understand that we take those goals very seriously.Ý (Denise read the districtís goal.)Ý Our purpose in increasing the number of student contact days is to meet these goals.Ý Our budget is based on these goals.Ý We believe that in order for these goals to happen, we need to increase the number of student contact days.Ý It isnít a matter of being average, itís a matter of meeting our goals.Ý Patty ñ I agree with those goals, but to add four student contact days takes four prep days away from teachers.Ý Kathleen ñ I also think that the board is at a point where they are willing to look at late start and early release days so teachers have different time to plan/prepare.Ý The board and administrators are interested in scheduling more time with the kids.Ý Cindy ñ As a newer teacher, there is no time for me to prepare, in this proposed calendar, after October.Ý Brian ñ We can debate all we want on the wisdom of adding days, but I donít think that this is the forum.Ý This team was directed by the board to add more instructional days and that is what we are proposing.
Caucus 5:15 p.m. ñ 5:30 p.m.
Janet ñ We are ok with the districtís proposal on article 21, dropping C.Ý Brian ñ Are you ok with B as we proposed, or are there suggested changes?Ý Janet ñ With the suggested changes, ìThis article shall not apply to members who retire under PERS and who are precluded from re-employment for a period of time following their retirement date.î
The District and the Association signed off on Article 21 ñ Mid-Year Early Retirement.
Janet ñ Article 31.Ý We agreed that the rehire date would be their new seniority date.Ý You had some concerns about someone using the PERS option where the exhausted their sick leave, we agree to put language in there that states they will get the 10 days if they use this option.Ý Kathleen ñ Wanda, how much information do we get back from PERS?Ý Wanda ñ We donít know what option they choose, PERS doesnít tell us.Ý Patty ñ Unless you asked them in the interview.Ý Janet ñ We didnít have time to look at A5, so we will look at that and get back to you next time.
Brian ñ We spent the caucus discussing the work year, and we still havenít reached an agreement.Ý Janet ñ We strongly feel that it does make a difference for kids that teachers have adequate prep time.Ý The concern with this calendar is that there is not enough time for conferences after October.Ý Brian ñ How has the calendar been done in years past?Ý Patty ñ Different ways.Ý Denise ñ In the 6-7 years I have been on the board, we have never had a calendar that everyone liked.Ý Kathleen ñ You have seen the proposed calendar; if you have any other options, with the same number of instructional days, please bring them to your administrator for the board to consider Monday night.
Brian ñ Are there any other articles you would like to discuss?
Janet ñ Article 9 ñ Complaint Procedure.Ý Again, we feel strongly that the complaint form have the complainantís signature on it; we feel this is really important to have.Ý Brian ñ I understand what you are saying, but I would like you to put yourself in the shoes of the administrator who is taking the complaint.Ý They may get a complaint from a person who doesnít think it is very important, but the administrator feels it is something that needs to be addressed.Ý They donít want to feel restricted due to the contract.
Brian ñ The problem we see with your proposed C, adding that first sentence, is that if the complaint involves a student, we donít want the teacher to have two days to try and persuade the student to change their story.Ý We also donít want the opportunity for scripted answers to complaints.Ý Janet ñ We can certainly talk about the number of days.Ý The current board policy requires a signature on all complaint forms.Ý Brian ñ The policy applies to the public.Ý Policy also doesnít state that if a complaint isnít signed the administrator cannot pursue it.Ý We generally want all complaints to be signed, but what this is saying is that if the complaint isnít signed, the administrator cannot pursue it any further.Ý Kathryn ñ At the last meeting I asked you how this could be re-written so that I could pursue a complaint without a signature.Ý I canít allow for less than professional behavior just because I donít have a signature.Ý Patty ñ Thatís what evaluations are for.Ý Kathleen ñ But you couldnít include this in an evaluation because of what the contract says.Ý If a student complains to an administrator about a teacher, they may be afraid of retaliation so they wonít sign their name to a complaint.Ý We want the administrator to be able to put this complaint into writing and sign it, take ownership of the complaint.Ý The teacher would still have the option to grieve it.Ý Patty ñ If their less than professional behavior affects their day to day teaching, and the administrator sees it, then they wouldnít need a complaint.Ý Kathryn ñ Yes, but this is for those select few that I donít see, and that I just hear about.Ý Janet ñ You feel like your hands are tied if there isnít a signature?Ý Kathryn ñ Yes, because a record of this canít be included in an evaluation without a signed complaint.Ý Patty ñ Who is making the complaint then, the person or the administrator?Ý Kathryn ñ At that point, I would assume responsibility of the complaint.Ý Patty ñ Isnít this what we have the policy for though?Ý Kathleen ñ Yes, and we have utilized that policy a lot, but there are those rare instances where we cannot get a signature, and our hands are then tied because of the contract.Ý Brian ñ Kathryn asked a good question; how would we address this concern? ÝBarb ñ This is assuming you have tried to get a signature, but could not?Ý Brian ñ Yes.Ý Maybe we address the associationís concern of an administrator filling out a bogus complaint to ìget atî the teacher by having another administrator come in to investigate the complaint.Ý Janet ñ Thatís something to think about.Ý Mary Jo ñ Nowhere in the districtís proposal does it say that a complaint cannot be anonymous.Ý Brian ñ That was not our intent.Ý We do not wish to accept anonymous complaints.Ý James ñ At what point would the teacher get a copy of the complaint?Ý Brian ñ It would be presented at the meeting.Ý Tom ñ The specific topic is not mentioned in the notice of meeting letter.Ý James ñ A teacher should have some idea about what the complaint is about before they go into the meeting.
The next meeting will be on May 31, 2005 from 6:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. at the District Office.Ý The meetings are open to the public, and minutes will be posted on the district website at www.junctioncity.k12.or.us.Ý (Just click on Board Info, and then click on Meeting Minutes Archives; there will be a link for Licensed Negotiation Minutes.)
Adjourn 6:03 p.m.