LICENSED BARGAINING MEETING
Mary Jo Husiman
James ñ We prepared a packet for you.Ý James went over the associationís proposed changes to article 6 ñ Grievance Procedures.Ý Brian ñ I had prepared one as well, but inadvertently left out some of the things that we agreed on, so I am glad you prepared this.Ý It doesnít look like anything is missing from here.Ý We would agree to sign off on this one.
Croce signed off on Article 6 ñ Grievance Procedure, for the district and
James ñ Article 8 ñ Teaching Hours and Teaching Load.Ý We made some changes to our initial proposal.Ý We would like to add during the student contact day to the end of the first bullet at the end of Section D.Ý Brian ñ I agree that is what is consistent with what the intent was.Ý Is the 4th bulleted item clear enough?Ý James ñ I believe so.Ý Brian ñ We will discuss this in caucus.Ý I donít think we will have a problem with the additions, but we do have a problem with the reference to the OARs; we will talk about it in caucus.
James ñ Article 9 ñ Complaint Procedure.Ý We added association representative, but not association designated representative.Ý Brian ñ Is it your intention to having it the same as the grievance?Ý James ñ No, in that article it is ok to add association designated representative.Ý This would be separate.Ý We are talking about a complaint made against a teacher.Ý The complaint procedure is different than the grievance procedure.Ý Patty ñ Has there ever been a time when there was an association rep there as well as a personal attorney?Ý Brian ñ When it is a criminal matter then maybe a personal criminal attorney would be involved.Ý I agree that the complaint procedure is different than the grievance procedure.Ý We will talk about this in caucus.Ý James ñ We would like to make a change to our initial proposal and add The teacher shall receive a copy of the signed complaint two (2) working days prior to the initial conference Ýto Section C.Ý
Brian ñ Did you look over our proposal?Ý Janet ñ We felt that we didnít want to accept any anonymous complaints.Ý Brian ñ Our intent wasnít to accept anonymous complaints.Ý We are just saying that when the principal receives a complaint, they have the right to reduce that complaint to writing and then to sign off on the complaint.Ý James ñ The principal could write it out, but then could get the complainant to sign it.Ý Brian ñ Sometimes people have a problem with signing their name to something.Ý Just because a person doesnít sign a complaint form doesnít mean that the event didnít happen.Ý Patty ñ Then they shouldnít be complaining.Ý Brian ñ I donít see how whether or not a complainant signs a document makes or breaks the complaint.Ý This wonít enhance the protection of teachers.Ý Kathryn ñ Just because a person doesnít want to sign a complaint form doesnít mean the event didnít happen; I still may need to pursue it.Ý Brian ñ This is just how we process complaints, if discipline comes out of it that is a whole other layer.
James ñ Article 10 ñ Teacher Discipline.Ý This is our counter proposal to your article 10 proposal.Ý Brian ñ In your initial proposal you didnít have changes to section A.Ý Patty ñ This is a counter proposal to your proposal.Ý Brian ñ This seems like retaliation for our proposal.Ý This is not a counter proposal to reach an agreement; itís moving further from an agreement.Ý James ñ There is no definition of discipline in the contract, and this, we feel, helps define it; it narrows it down.Ý Brian ñ This doesnít narrow it down.Ý This is saying that any decision an administrator made could be construed as discipline.Ý I donít think we need to have any more discussion on this one.
James ñ Article 21 ñ Mid-Year Early Retirement.Ý I think we need to look at the current language and keep this article as is.Ý Patty ñ We hope that we can sign off on this article and then construct the districtís proposed changes into a new Article 31 ñ Re-Employment of Retirees.Ý James ñ The rationale behind it is that if you employee a teacher you would put them on the proper spot on the salary schedule and bring their sick leave from their past teaching job with them; it is only fair.Ý Brian ñ The insurance issue is the component of our proposal.Ý Patty ñ If a person retires, they can go to another district and get benefits, and still be getting the $500.00 a month stipend from here.Ý Brian ñ We will talk about this in caucus.Ý This is just a situation where we would be less likely to rehire employees.Ý Wanda ñ Anyone who takes the lump-sum, we are obligated to pay PERS on them after six months.Ý We canít have language in the contract that says that the district does not pay PERS on that employee because we are obligated to do so.Ý Brian ñ Is it your position that you want to encourage people to retire, discourage, or do you care?Ý Janet ñ We just want to protect those individuals who wish to do so.
Brian ñ You made a proposal in Article 24 for a new section E (TSA) to change the number of participants to 5.Ý Wanda did some checking with Ramona Kelley and will explain our thoughts. ÝWanda ñ The current practice is 8 participants (any group); it is the practice we have now and the practice we would like to continue with.
Brian ñ Article 11 ñ Sick Leave.Ý This is a modification of our first proposal; we changed it to say ìMembers who leave employment with the District and who have used more sick leave days than have been earned as of their separation from the District, shall have an amount equivalent to those unearned sick leave days withheld from their final paycheck.îÝ Janet ñ I have a question about the first paragraph, could you clarify that please?Ý Brian ñ This is just stating that if a personís absences start following a pattern, every Friday, every hunting season, day before and/or after a holiday, the district would be able to request a medical certification.Ý James ñ Would the district be willing to cover the medical expenses for obtaining the medical certification?Ý Barb ñ This implies that there has been misuse.Ý Brian ñ There is a small percentage of the workforce who use their sick leave for reasons other than being sick.Ý We are not denying the leave, we are just saying that when if we notice a pattern we would be able to ask why, or require a medical certificate.Ý Kathryn ñ Right now, there is no way I can inquire as to why an employee was gone.Ý Barb ñ I am uncomfortable with the wording.Ý Brian ñ Is there another way you want to word it and still get the point across?
James ñ For the injury on duty, does an employee have the right to opt out of having their sick leave used for the other 1/3 of the time?Ý Brian ñ They donít.Ý I would be concerned about their insurance.
Brian ñ G, you had proposed a date in February, and we are just counter proposing a date of October 31.Ý Janet ñ Ok.
Janet ñ Article 8D ñ we are ok to delete the OARís and to add the wording ìof prep time during the student contact dayî just for clarification to the last asterisk.Ý Brian ñ That is fine, we will go ahead and TA on Article 8 with the changes.
Janet ñ Article 9B ñ We feel strongly that the complaint needs to be signed by the complainant.Ý Brian ñ We feel equally strongly that the principal can sign off.Ý We also have a problem with the first sentence in C.Ý We should table this article for another meeting.Ý Madeline ñ When a complainant signs the complaint, they are saying that what the complaint says is accurate.Ý Brian ñ Just because the complaint isnít signed by the person making the complaint doesnít mean that the complaint wasnít there.Ý Patty ñ If they feel strongly enough to make the complaint, they should sign it.Ý Brian ñ What if the person doesnít feel that the complaint is important enough to fill out a formal complaint, but the administrator feels as though it should be followed up on?Ý We should table this until the next meeting.
Brian ñ Article 10. Janet ñ Brian, what we put in A was not retaliatory; we are ok with the current language.Ý Brian ñ This is how we read it: You propose to add one more personal day to make it three, so our counter proposal would be to take one off and have one personal day instead of two.Ý We still have a proposal on Article 10.Ý We will table this until the next meeting.
Brian ñ Article 31 ñ We should table this until the next meeting.Ý I donít feel comfortable with signing off on this, or Article 21, without Kathleen looking at them.
Janet ñ Article 24E ñ We would like to clarify participants as being administrators, classified, certified, and confidential.Ý Brian ñ Ok.Ý Article 24 was TAís with changes.
Janet ñ Article 11 ñ We feel very strongly about the second paragraph in A.Ý Under certain circumstances this could be construed as discrimination against certain individuals.Ý There certainly are those who do abuse sick leave, but we donít want this in the contract.Ý Brian ñ Fern Ridgeís contract just says that the district may require a medical certification, we could take out the ìafter 5 daysî and use what Fern Ridge has.Ý Mary Jo ñ It would be hard to get a medical certification when I have the flu because I donít go to the doctor.Ý Am I going to have to go to the doctor every time I am gone from work?Ý Brian ñ This is just for when absences become a pattern.Ý Patty ñ When someone is out of the classroom it causes a disruption of instruction.Ý If a person is routinely doing this, it would seem that their attitude would show up in other aspects of instruction.Ý Kathryn ñ Does the association have an answer to how I can ask if someone is absent?Ý James ñ We can come back with suggestions.
Janet ñ In A1, we are ok with the change to the language about withholding the unearned sick leave from the final paycheck.Ý We want to make sure that this just pertains to sick leave from the district.Ý If they use sick leave bank time, that does not have to be repaid.Ý Brian ñ That is understood.
Janet ñ C ñ Several of us felt that adding this was adding insult to injury.Ý We understand that the district is running a business but we feel the district should take care of the 1/3 if the injury happened on the job.Ý Brian ñ I understand what you are saying, but we have never seen the current language in other contracts.Ý Janet ñ Could this be written another way that distinguishes fault?Ý Brian ñ I understand your position, but our position would still be our proposed language.Ý Cindy ñ Could the employee choose to have the 1/3 taken from sick leave, or to have it unpaid?Ý Brian ñ Any improvement to this article language would be an improvement, we can definitely look at that.
Janet ñ The rest of the changes in this article are ok with the association.Ý Brian ñ We can bring a counter on Article 11 next time.
Janet ñ The district was supposed to have a calendar for us to see.Ý Brian ñ I would like to do that when Kathleen is here.Ý Janet ñ Do you have one?Ý Brian ñ There has been discussion back and forth between the administration and the board.Ý Wanda ñ The administrators will be meeting again and modifying the calendar.
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